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update kde page, add latest meeting's files
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diff --git a/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-log-20090305.txt b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-log-20090305.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..a52c535 --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-log-20090305.txt @@ -0,0 +1,769 @@ +[21:08:49] <scarabeus> LETS BEGIN :D +[21:09:07] <scarabeus> so first nice question is +[21:09:10] <scarabeus> WHO IS AROUND? +[21:09:16] <NoirSoldats> o/ +[21:09:17] <yngwin> !herd kde +[21:09:21] <Willikins> yngwin: (kde) alexxy, caleb, carlo, cryos, deathwing00, genstef, jmbsvicetto, keytoaster, mattepiu, patrick, scarabeus, tampakrap, tgurr +[21:09:21] <yngwin> !herd qt +[21:09:22] <Willikins> (qt) caleb, carlo, hwoarang, yngwin +[21:09:24] -*- wired is here +[21:09:29] -*- yngwin is present +[21:09:37] -*- alexxy here +[21:09:50] <bumbl> xine-lib-9999 does not compile yngwin because of missing Makefile.in +[21:09:50] *** Mode #gentoo-kde +v reavertm by scarabeus +[21:10:22] <scarabeus> where are the other slackers :P +[21:10:37] <wired> slacking +[21:10:38] <wired> :p +[21:10:54] <yngwin> bumbl: see forum thread. if there is a patch/solution, i will apply it (tonight or tomorrow) +[21:10:58] -*- cryos|work is kinda here, ill, stressed... +[21:11:19] <scarabeus> cryos|work: hi :] +[21:11:59] <-- KotBehemot (n=dracul66@unaffiliated/kotbehemot) has quit (Remote closed the connection) +[21:12:03] <jmbsvicetto> ping +[21:12:20] <jmbsvicetto> Sorry for being late +[21:12:22] <scarabeus> ok we are closing onto desired goal >50% around :] +[21:12:22] <cryos|work> I think you need to ping an address, or is that a broadcast packet? +[21:12:24] <hwoarang> here +[21:12:34] <-- genady12__ (n=genady12@80.178.17.222.adsl.012.net.il) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +[21:12:54] <alexxy> where is our main slacker? bonsaikitten are you here? +[21:12:56] <alexxy> =) +[21:13:09] <bonsaikitten> am I ? +[21:13:16] <bonsaikitten> yes! +[21:13:29] <jmbsvicetto> cryos|work: broadcast ping ;) +[21:13:34] <scarabeus> ok so i guess we can start, others would have to show up later... +[21:13:37] <scarabeus> any objections? +[21:13:54] <yngwin> none +[21:13:57] <jmbsvicetto> who are we missing? +[21:13:59] <alexxy> =) +[21:14:02] <yngwin> tampa +[21:14:05] <Philantrop> Carlo! ;-> +[21:14:05] <scarabeus> tampakrap i guess and reaver +[21:14:14] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: :P +[21:14:17] <scarabeus> Philantrop: you actualy get him on irc at some point? :] +[21:14:17] <jmbsvicetto> Hi Wulf +[21:14:30] <Philantrop> scarabeus: No, he never was nor will he ever. +[21:14:34] <bonsaikitten> Hi Phil :) +[21:14:34] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Hello! :-) +[21:14:39] <scarabeus> hehe +[21:14:52] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: carlo is a "mail" guy +[21:14:52] --> KotBehemot (n=dracul66@unaffiliated/kotbehemot) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:15:05] <scarabeus> yea i got that :] +[21:15:14] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: ... if he communicates at all. +[21:15:37] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: well, a reply to a 4 or 6 month mail is still a reply :P +[21:15:40] <scarabeus> http://www.pastebin.cz:80/15872 +[21:15:44] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: :-) True. +[21:15:48] <tampakrap> i'm here +[21:15:50] <scarabeus> here is a list what we will chat about today +[21:15:53] <scarabeus> hello tampy +[21:15:59] <wired> tampy! +[21:16:03] <wired> lol +[21:16:32] -*- cryos|work only claims 42% presence --- man flu... +[21:16:44] <scarabeus> ok so we can start with kde3.5.10 state +[21:16:50] <bumbl> cryos|work: get well soon +[21:16:51] <scarabeus> cause on that we all probably will just listen :D +[21:16:52] <tampakrap> i'd like to say a few things about KDE 3 first +[21:17:17] <tampakrap> may I? +[21:17:20] <jmbsvicetto> Hi Theo +[21:17:21] <scarabeus> yes proceed +[21:17:22] <yngwin> say +[21:17:32] <tampakrap> ok +[21:17:39] <jmbsvicetto> cryos|work: yeah, my cold has been bugging me for the past week :\ +[21:17:50] <tampakrap> in kde-testing i have a kde-3.5 branch with new eclasses +[21:18:13] <tampakrap> those eclasses prefix misc kde apps in /usr/kde/3.5 and permit eapi2 ebuilds +[21:18:38] <tampakrap> i have started writing all kde-base ebuilds in eapi 2 i have about 60 here +[21:19:02] <tampakrap> jmbsvicetto told me today to try to get rid of arts and use a different backend +[21:19:18] <tampakrap> i'm not sure if this can be done and to be honest i don't know if it worths it +[21:19:24] <tampakrap> i'd like your opinion +[21:19:24] -*- jmbsvicetto looks innocently into the sky +[21:19:37] <tampakrap> and of course some testing of you people +[21:19:53] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: if it's too much work, forget arts +[21:19:54] <bonsaikitten> kill arts. +[21:20:05] <yngwin> in my opinion kde 3.5.10 works as is, and i wouldnt spend too much time on 'improving' the ebuilds +[21:20:07] <tampakrap> especially the kde4 guys, as the pending big issue is the proper use of kde3 apps inside kde4 environment +[21:20:12] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: I was just interested to find out if we could kill it +[21:20:21] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: You could. +[21:20:22] --> looonger (n=looonger@host-89-231-128-7.rawamaz.mm.pl) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:20:43] <wired> tampakrap: have you done any changes to the eclasses since we lasted talked about them? +[21:20:46] <scarabeus> i agree with killing +[21:20:53] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: we should, but meh :\ +[21:20:57] <yngwin> give peas a chance +[21:21:17] <tampakrap> wired: yes but not pushed +[21:21:17] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: I wouldn't do it anymore. It's not worth the effort anymore. +[21:21:24] <jmbsvicetto> yeah, I agree +[21:21:50] <scarabeus> it was allways broken from my POV and it is not worth the problems with it i guess +[21:21:57] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: how can we help you getting it done? +[21:22:02] <wired> tampakrap: ok, just asking because last time i used them [by accident] kdebluetooth failed to install +[21:22:23] <scarabeus> wired: most of the bugs i tried to fix +[21:22:24] <yngwin> kdebluetooth is problematic anyway +[21:22:30] <yngwin> should probab;ly be hardmasked +[21:22:30] <tampakrap> jmbsvicetto: i'll ping you guys when i need help don't worry +[21:22:41] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: If you think the eclasses are "almost done", you should probably merge them to the master branch +[21:22:54] <wired> yngwin: it works fine for me (with bluez < 4) +[21:22:57] <tampakrap> yes i'm about to do it +[21:23:03] <jmbsvicetto> ok :) +[21:23:14] <scarabeus> ok +[21:23:31] --> scratch[x] (n=scratch@83.239.148.148) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:23:46] <tampakrap> but i agree with Philantrop it is not worth the effort, everyone is moving to kde4.2, just a quick cleanup of kde3 is enough +[21:23:53] <scarabeus> yep +[21:23:59] <yngwin> on a related note, i want to mask ~qt-3.3.8 for removal, and leave only ~qt-3.3.8b in tree +[21:24:05] <tampakrap> and i am more intrested in kde4 too +[21:24:30] <alexxy> kde 3.5.x is old =) +[21:24:31] <tampakrap> yngwin: feel free +[21:24:31] <-- er0x (n=kvirc@client-87-247-122-156.inturbo.lt) has quit ("KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090224, built on: 2009/03/04 18:54:25 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/") +[21:24:56] <yngwin> alexxy: maybe old, but it works ;) +[21:25:02] <scarabeus> :] +[21:25:04] <jmbsvicetto> yngwin: Is anything holding qt-3.3.8 around? +[21:25:13] <jmbsvicetto> yngwin: looking at keywords I see they're the same +[21:25:15] <yngwin> i thought kdebluetooth +[21:25:30] <tampakrap> ok about kdebluetooth +[21:25:31] <jmbsvicetto> ah, ok +[21:25:38] <yngwin> not 100% sure, will look tomorrow +[21:25:43] <bumbl> there might be some users who still want to use kde 3.5 until ~ kde 4.4 (which is when all the third party developers will have ported their apps (hopefully)) +[21:25:51] <scarabeus> NOTE: (guys i found out that my loging is not working with this weechat version so i will write summary and somebody else will have to put the log on devspace) +[21:26:08] <jmbsvicetto> bumbl: hmm, besides k3b, which major apps are still missing? +[21:26:09] -*- wired keeps logs +[21:26:11] <tampakrap> bumbl: it's no reason to wait for them to release, we can provide working snapshots +[21:26:17] <tampakrap> jmbsvicetto: nothing! +[21:26:20] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: I have logs, don't worry +[21:26:23] <scarabeus> ouk +[21:26:40] <yngwin> jmbsvicetto: k3b, konversation, that i know +[21:26:46] <scarabeus> kile +[21:26:48] <scarabeus> and others +[21:26:51] <bumbl> jmbsvicetto: kaffeine4 is still very basic (kaffeinegl seems dead) +[21:26:53] <scarabeus> kde3 is still needed +[21:26:54] <yngwin> quanta!!!!!!!!!! +[21:26:56] <alexxy> kile works from :live +[21:27:07] <_genuser_> qt-core is almost done. +[21:27:08] <alexxy> k3b dont at this moment +[21:27:09] <scarabeus> live is not good for normal users :] +[21:27:13] <jmbsvicetto> yngwin: I liked quanta :) +[21:27:13] <tampakrap> ok about kdebluetooth i'll have a look at it and try to find the very best solution +[21:27:16] <_genuser_> then more hours for kdelibs. +[21:27:21] <Sho_> Konversation's KDE 4 port is shaping up nicely, so that will be gone from the list soon. +[21:27:27] <wired> jmbsvicetto: yeah quanta is badly missing +[21:27:35] <alexxy> we can make snapshots for kile +[21:27:36] <alexxy> =) +[21:27:43] <yngwin> jmbsvicetto: i was hoping for quanta with vimpart +[21:27:44] <scarabeus> blah +[21:27:47] <_genuser_> I'm so excited that in 2 days I can finally run kde4.2. :) +[21:28:06] <_genuser_> that was sarcastic. +[21:28:09] <bumbl> shouldn't kdevelop4 replace quanta? +[21:28:09] <_genuser_> hopefully it runs soon. +[21:28:10] <Bluespear> jmbsvicetto: Kile +[21:28:14] <tampakrap> we can make snapshots for many packages and maybe we can start doing it +[21:28:15] <scarabeus> tampakrap: do you need our help somewhere on kde3? +[21:28:30] <Bluespear> using TexClipse and this just sucks :D +[21:28:36] <tampakrap> scarabeus: not now maybe in a few days +[21:28:52] <jmbsvicetto> oh and obviously we still a "working" amarok ;) +[21:29:00] <bumbl> genady12_: ah that's why my sarcasm detector went wild +[21:29:16] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: next? getting 3.5.10 stabled? +[21:29:21] <tampakrap> people please we have a meeting here... +[21:29:26] <tampakrap> right +[21:29:29] <scarabeus> hehe lets wait what tampakrap shows us +[21:29:43] <scarabeus> for now lets fix the prefixing +[21:29:45] <scarabeus> :] +[21:29:51] <scarabeus> we still have ~2 months :D +[21:30:06] <jmbsvicetto> For getting 3.5.10 marked as stable? :\ +[21:30:08] <yngwin> why? there's no need to keep 3.5.10 from going stable +[21:30:12] <Sho_> scarabeus: remember my kepas thing *g* +[21:30:15] <jmbsvicetto> I was hoping to do it next month +[21:30:18] <tampakrap> as i said the main issue is running kde3 apps inside kde4 env that's where i need help and testing +[21:30:22] <yngwin> THIS month +[21:30:32] <jmbsvicetto> yngwin: :) +[21:30:33] <tampakrap> how can we do it this month with so many bugs open? +[21:30:36] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: for 4.2 starting its consideration :D +[21:30:48] <-- ABCD (n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD) has quit (Client Quit) +[21:31:03] <scarabeus> ok this leads to the virtualbox snapshots i talked about +[21:31:09] <yngwin> tampakrap: can you make a list of the important bugs that need fixing? so we can work on that, and ask users (bugday!) to help +[21:31:14] <scarabeus> we should create some generic gentoo instalation with kde3 and kde4 for testing +[21:31:17] <tampakrap> yes i can +[21:31:27] --> ABCD (n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:31:28] <yngwin> that would be helpful +[21:31:37] <wired> scarabeus: Im on that +[21:31:51] <tampakrap> i should separate kde base bugs from the misc ones as a first step +[21:31:52] <jmbsvicetto> yngwin / tampakrap: I think the most imporant point to get 3.5.10 marked as stable is getting the eclasses in the tree +[21:31:56] <NoirSoldats> wired: How is that coming? Do you need my help? +[21:32:26] <jmbsvicetto> brb +[21:32:31] * tampakrap has changed topic for #gentoo-kde to: "MEETING NOW | Official gentoo-kde project channel | KDE 4 guide: http://tinyurl.com/4n47v4 | Overlays: kde-testing, qting-edge | Want to help us? Ask channel staff for info | Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/kdebugs1 http://xrl.us/qtbugs | Useful links: http://userbase.kde.org/ http://ktown.kde.org/~dirk/dashboard | KDE 4.2.1 is available | Weird issues with nvidia-drivers-180.35? bug 260441 | Qt 4.5.0 committed" +[21:32:34] <wired> NoirSoldats: well with 4.2.1 and all it kinda fell behind, but its cool, i figured out how to compact the thing as well so its more a matter of time now +[21:32:49] <tampakrap> i think we're done with kde3 +[21:32:57] <scarabeus> if nobody has questions on ya +[21:33:08] <NoirSoldats> wired: I'm here if ya need me or my processors. :) +[21:33:31] <wired> alright, we'll talk about it after the meeting +[21:33:32] <tampakrap> oh the last i wanted to tell about kde3 +[21:33:34] --> panard (n=panard@2a01:e35:8a09:e130:2e0:61ff:fe11:7adb) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:33:34] <comawhite> anyone ever noticed you can compile all of koffice-2 except Krita +[21:33:50] <scarabeus> comawhite: i know, not now, later i will talk with you +[21:34:04] <comawhite> okay +[21:34:23] <tampakrap> carlo is doing an excellent job with kde3 misc apps he closed many bugs but he is never on irc, has anyone contacted him ever? +[21:34:33] <bonsaikitten> only by email +[21:34:52] <yngwin> i gave up after he didnt answer my emails last year +[21:35:00] <tampakrap> ok i'll keep that in mind +[21:35:05] <-- Bluespear (n=speedy@dhcp-83-219-104-51.customers.tvtnet.ch) has quit ("Leave") +[21:35:06] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: You should use mail to talk to carlo +[21:35:07] <scarabeus> tampakrap: only by mail, or best is creating bug with high priority assigned to him +[21:35:11] <scarabeus> that is how i contacted :D +[21:35:22] <tampakrap> ok +[21:35:49] <scarabeus> ok next thingie is: +[21:35:55] <scarabeus> we need somebody maintain the amarok +[21:36:10] <yngwin> not me +[21:36:18] <alexxy> not me =) +[21:36:23] <NoirSoldats> hehe +[21:36:24] <scarabeus> is anyone from us willing to be official maintainer? +[21:36:25] <tampakrap> both kde3 and 4? +[21:36:29] <scarabeus> yeah both +[21:36:32] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: I haven't looked at 5.1.72 yet (mysql), but I'll get back to it this week +[21:36:34] <tampakrap> omg +[21:36:37] --> eyal_ (n=eyal@IGLD-80-230-109-116.inter.net.il) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:36:51] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: I don't think amarok for kde3 should require much work +[21:36:55] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: :P +[21:37:00] --> mschiff (n=mschiff@e176096142.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:37:05] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: well not much work but minor bugz are poping up +[21:37:06] <tampakrap> jmbsvicetto: no it does :) +[21:37:10] <scarabeus> so polishing it needs +[21:37:17] <jmbsvicetto> :\ +[21:37:25] <tampakrap> it is a mess, pretty abandoned +[21:37:42] <yngwin> yes, flameeyes tried to drop it on me +[21:37:44] <scarabeus> i guess we could sent mail on -dev +[21:37:48] <jmbsvicetto> amarok-1.4 ? +[21:37:54] <yngwin> indeed +[21:38:11] <yngwin> as i offered to help at the time when he had to go to hospital +[21:38:40] <scarabeus> hehe +[21:38:54] <yngwin> he assigned all amarok bugs to me +[21:38:55] <scarabeus> soo do we have suicider, erm i mean maintainer... +[21:38:59] <tampakrap> btw amarok-2.2 released +[21:39:04] <scarabeus> tampakrap: yeah i know +[21:39:20] <alexxy> tampakrap: what?! +[21:39:24] <scarabeus> 2.0.2 +[21:39:28] <scarabeus> he cant write +[21:39:29] <scarabeus> :D +[21:39:32] <tampakrap> look i'm a big fun of amarok but until the end of the month i'll be pretty busy with some things and i can't take it +[21:39:43] <scarabeus> yes i know i am not saying you should +[21:39:45] <yngwin> we could just hardmask it and assign to maintainer-needed ;) +[21:39:58] <scarabeus> ok i will sent the mail on the dev you lazy .... +[21:40:00] <scarabeus> :D +[21:40:01] <hwoarang> i wonder if amarok compiles with qt-4.5 now +[21:40:11] <NoirSoldats> hwoarang: Mine did. +[21:40:19] <alexxy> hmm +[21:40:26] <hwoarang> so does here but the upstream bug is still open +[21:40:27] <NoirSoldats> hwoarang: With a little hacking. +[21:40:31] <alexxy> we can add amarok 2.0.2 to overlay +[21:40:36] <hwoarang> and reproducable by many users +[21:40:36] <alexxy> to see if it works +[21:40:41] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: add me silently to the amarok bugs +[21:40:42] <hwoarang> +1 to alexxy +[21:41:01] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: ok adding as note if you are really sure :] +[21:41:09] <jmbsvicetto> yup +[21:41:16] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: I'll take a look at it +[21:41:23] <tampakrap> will the kde-herd and sound-herd maintainers remain though? +[21:41:33] <scarabeus> yes of course :] +[21:41:41] <scarabeus> ok amarok is done i think :] +[21:41:56] <yngwin> i dont think anyone @sound is really interested +[21:42:16] <scarabeus> now i have "homepage updates" it means that we have pretty much tons of outdates info on webspace, in doc and in informations +[21:42:23] <tampakrap> i don't care for sound-herd after all :) +[21:42:28] <scarabeus> so we need somebody that will actualy try to keep that up-to-date +[21:42:39] -*- tampakrap +[21:42:43] <yngwin> tampakrap: careful, i am in sound :p +[21:42:45] <tampakrap> next subject :) +[21:42:54] <tampakrap> :P +[21:43:08] <scarabeus> tampakrap: you will really keep the web updated? are you sure it is lots of pages and lots of stuff :] +[21:43:23] <scarabeus> specialy now main page and the guide needs heavy lifting +[21:43:29] <scarabeus> so do you have time?... +[21:43:33] <yngwin> i can help +[21:43:36] <tampakrap> look as i said until the end of a month i'll be pretty busy with some things, next i'll have too much free time +[21:43:49] <tampakrap> i'll take care of the guide though +[21:44:14] <scarabeus> ok you two, try to work it out somehow then :] +[21:44:30] <scarabeus> bonsaikitten: ping +[21:44:33] <scarabeus> now i need you :] +[21:44:36] <bonsaikitten> what! +[21:44:39] <tampakrap> wait a minute +[21:44:46] <bonsaikitten> I'm just providing access to tarballs ;) +[21:45:02] <scarabeus> bonsaikitten: nope, i need YOU to take look on pykde bugs, and actualy fix them +[21:45:10] <bonsaikitten> yeah +[21:45:11] <scarabeus> since you are most relevant for this +[21:45:14] <tampakrap> one quick note about the guide, people when you are fixing major stuff please do the guide fixes too immediately or assign it to someone, but it is a must +[21:45:23] <bonsaikitten> scarabeus: I claim incompetence ;) +[21:45:32] <bonsaikitten> been quite busy with work, maybe I find some time during the weekend +[21:46:14] <scarabeus> greatie +[21:46:21] <scarabeus> bonsaikitten: feel free to even remove it from kdeprefix +[21:46:32] <bonsaikitten> well, first gotta fix slotting +[21:46:37] <scarabeus> yup +[21:46:39] <bonsaikitten> then see why it randomly fails +[21:46:46] <bonsaikitten> then learn enough C++ to fix it +[21:46:50] <scarabeus> :D +[21:47:24] <scarabeus> there is nothing how i could help, combo of python and cpp is overhead for me +[21:47:25] <scarabeus> :] +[21:47:29] <bonsaikitten> hehe +[21:47:37] <bonsaikitten> I still have so many other bugs I want to take care of :( +[21:47:53] <yngwin> maybe mask pykde4 then +[21:47:59] <scarabeus> it will allways be that way, but this is one of the biggest kde4 stable blockers now +[21:48:54] <scarabeus> yngwin: even that might be the final solution if we wont make it work +[21:49:02] <scarabeus> althrought it would disable lots of plasmoids +[21:49:10] <bonsaikitten> no Final Solutions here +[21:49:20] <yngwin> now it just fails for too many ppl +[21:49:23] <bonsaikitten> we are pacifists who give every ebuild a chance +[21:49:34] <scarabeus> :D +[21:49:36] <jmbsvicetto> :) +[21:50:13] -*- bonsaikitten glares at Phil +[21:50:59] <scarabeus> any of you have any ideas about the bluez and kbluetooth, somebody who uses it, i might make it work, but frankly i dont use it much so i might missed stuff, it needs testing and maybe even patching +[21:51:03] <scarabeus> kbluetooth4 +[21:51:56] <bonsaikitten> so let's ask users :) +[21:52:04] <scarabeus> bluez is hardmasked +[21:52:06] <bumbl> just compiled pykde4-9999 successfully +[21:52:07] <bonsaikitten> I have no bluetooth equipment +[21:52:12] <scarabeus> so it needs really brave insaners to test +[21:52:25] -*- alexxy dont have bluetoth +[21:52:33] <wired> i have bluetooth but i stopped trying with kbluetooth4 some time ago because it broke my nerves +[21:52:36] <wired> i can test again +[21:52:45] --> himikof (n=himikof@129.167.249.ozerki.net) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:52:51] --> Varox (n=Varox@p4FD441A6.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:53:04] <scarabeus> wired: ok +[21:53:08] <scarabeus> i will leave it up to you +[21:53:18] <bumbl> gnokii + bluez + kdebluetooth4 + /me = /me insane +[21:53:34] <wired> ok. i think i saw a patch for solid and bluez4 somewhere +[21:53:39] <-- Ghabit (n=quassel@91.149.157.195) has quit ("No Ping reply in 30 seconds.") +[21:53:41] <scarabeus> ok as sidenote and selfegomasturbation, this week i fixed KOFFICE and it works fine +[21:53:53] <scarabeus> so we are prepared to add it for the tree :] +[21:53:54] --> Ghabit (n=quassel@91.149.157.195) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:53:58] <tampakrap> i was about to ask it, what was the issue? +[21:54:00] <bonsaikitten> yey +[21:54:16] <scarabeus> i spent 6-7 hours on it +[21:54:21] -*- wired writes down todo notes ^_^ +[21:54:29] <scarabeus> and developed nice cmake hate :D +[21:54:40] <tampakrap> ok well done +[21:54:58] --> bschindler|away (n=quassel@zux221-218-241.adsl.green.ch) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:55:17] <bonsaikitten> haha +[21:55:25] <bonsaikitten> build systems seem to be very good for hate +[21:55:30] <scarabeus> indeed +[21:55:39] <scarabeus> but still i like it more than scons and bam +[21:55:42] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: so you've finally learned to hate cmake? :P +[21:55:53] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: sorry for my disbelieve +[21:55:53] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: Are you feeling the love for autotools again? ;) +[21:55:57] <scarabeus> yes :D +[21:55:57] --> kostekjo (n=opera@chello084010120054.chello.pl) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:56:03] <scarabeus> cause autotools wont allow such messy code +[21:56:08] <-- Varox (n=Varox@p4FD441A6.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) +[21:56:08] <scarabeus> or i didnt see it anywhere +[21:56:17] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[21:56:28] <scarabeus> reavertm: pingping +[21:56:29] <alexxy> scarabeus: take a look @gromacs +[21:56:30] <alexxy> =) +[21:56:30] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: you should check kde autotools - it's also great ;) +[21:56:39] <scarabeus> :D +[21:56:39] <alexxy> to see autotools mess code +[21:56:47] <scarabeus> ok ok dont make me ruin my ideals +[21:56:52] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[21:56:59] <bonsaikitten> let's rewrite kde to use maven +[21:57:09] <bonsaikitten> that would be orgasmic +[21:57:14] <jmbsvicetto> bonsaikitten: let's use propper autotools :P +[21:57:25] <bonsaikitten> jmbsvicetto: that would have been my second-best suggestion :) +[21:57:46] <scarabeus> ok jmbsvicetto do you have some items that we need to squash for 4.2 stabling +[21:57:54] <scarabeus> currently we get hit by only minor stuff +[21:58:04] <scarabeus> so i am asking if you have something actualy major +[21:58:04] --> non7top (n=non7top@77.66.156.160) has joined #gentoo-kde +[21:58:11] <jmbsvicetto> we need to double check webkit, qt-phonon and java deps +[21:58:21] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: i already did webkit optional +[21:58:23] <jmbsvicetto> some arches don't support any or some of these +[21:58:41] <alexxy> mips dont have java +[21:58:50] <scarabeus> for that we have virtuoso i guess +[21:58:53] <alexxy> at least untill icedtea6 will hit tree +[21:58:54] <tampakrap> isn't the java issue fixed for soprano and such? +[21:58:56] <scarabeus> btw that package needs to be splitted +[21:58:58] <yngwin> which reminds me, can we make all deps in kde4-base.eclass optional? +[21:59:03] <scarabeus> cause it is 150mb big as one +[21:59:11] <scarabeus> yngwin: talk with me later about it +[21:59:15] <yngwin> ok +[21:59:16] <scarabeus> i am open for suggestions +[21:59:56] <-- S-man (n=quassel@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) has quit (Remote closed the connection) +[22:00:09] <tampakrap> i'll repeat, isn't the java issue fixed? +[22:00:18] <alexxy> tampakrap: seems yes +[22:00:34] <alexxy> at least i have sane deps tree on mips +[22:00:38] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap / alexxy: Have you talked to ali_bush about that? +[22:00:49] <wired> i talked with ali_bush +[22:00:51] <jmbsvicetto> He was reporting an issue with gen1 jvms +[22:01:05] <wired> he said he'll look into it tomorrow +[22:01:14] --> S-man (n=quassel@cc84863-b.zwoll1.ov.home.nl) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:01:41] <scarabeus> great :] +[22:01:43] <bumbl> virtuoso does need ~15mb (the parts kde actually uses) +[22:02:18] <scarabeus> yes but the rest is 10x bigger that is why i said that we should split it +[22:02:27] <reavertm> (apparently) +[22:02:54] <yngwin> (qt-)phonon is not supported/keyworded on alpha, ia64, mips, sparc and x86-fbsd +[22:02:55] <bumbl> yep +[22:03:12] <reavertm> stil the idea of splitting proposed by trueg is rather silly? (virtuoso-data, virtuoso-backends? it's database server :P) +[22:03:17] <alexxy> yngwin: i'll keyword phonon on mips +[22:03:22] <yngwin> ok +[22:03:31] <hwoarang> alexxy: please keyword qt-demo as well +[22:03:32] <jmbsvicetto> webkit seems to have problems at least in big endian arches +[22:03:39] <alexxy> hwoarang: later +[22:03:44] <hwoarang> yes +[22:03:44] <alexxy> only after kde =) +[22:03:52] <reavertm> btw, there is probably no more separate phonon release +[22:04:03] <alexxy> jmbsvicetto: my mips is bigendian +[22:04:27] <bumbl> USE-flags if possible +[22:05:00] <jmbsvicetto> alexxy: at least for sparc and I think ppc64 webkit has alignment issues +[22:05:41] -*- alexxy thinks that we should have abi and endianes keywords for packages +[22:05:47] <yngwin> only sparc +[22:05:58] <yngwin> ppc64 does have qt-webkit keyworded +[22:06:29] <yngwin> alpha and ia64 dont +[22:07:33] <wired> on the soprano[sesame2] java issue, it seems sesame doesn't like sun-jre-bin +[22:08:15] <scarabeus> ok lads +[22:08:16] <tampakrap> isn't this fixed? +[22:08:31] <scarabeus> i will take care of easying the deps in eclass and you take care about keywording and deps :] +[22:09:22] <reavertm> wired to build? of it doesn't like switching between sun-jdk and sun-jre-bin after it was succesfully built +[22:09:54] --> Zucca (i=zucca@a88-112-55-25.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:09:54] <wired> reavertm: when i was testing it it would skip sesame2 support if sun-jre-bin was set as system-vm +[22:10:05] <scarabeus> build fail +[22:10:14] <scarabeus> it need somebody from java to look and investigate +[22:10:22] <wired> there's also another issue with sesame +[22:10:34] <-- bschindler (n=quassel@zux221-218-241.adsl.green.ch) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +[22:10:37] <wired> if you run emerge with sudo +[22:10:41] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: I've heard of cmake not finding java +[22:10:44] <wired> it skips sesame support +[22:10:56] <wired> i talked to ali_bush about it and he said he'll look into it +[22:10:56] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: it find it +[22:11:00] <scarabeus> but marks as not sufficient +[22:11:04] <scarabeus> i did bit investigation +[22:11:13] <reavertm> you can't build it with sun-jre and no wonder - it needs jdk - that's first +[22:11:44] <reavertm> second is - cmake FindJNI doesn't support many jdk's (IBM to mention one) +[22:11:53] <wired> sounds reasonable, but no checks are done for it +[22:11:59] <reavertm> (I have even some patch for that module somewhere) +[22:12:08] <scarabeus> then give it upstream +[22:13:52] <scarabeus> ok now we are getting to the fancy stuff +[22:13:54] <-- kostekjo (n=opera@chello084010120054.chello.pl) has left #gentoo-kde +[22:14:01] <scarabeus> reavertm: how is looking the cmake stuff you are working on +[22:14:11] <scarabeus> now the eclass in the testing is working right, can we make it more gentooish +[22:14:17] <scarabeus> or it is not worth efforts? +[22:14:32] <hwoarang> gentooish? +[22:14:34] <hwoarang> :D +[22:14:40] <tampakrap> scarabeus: could you please expand? i have no idea what you are talking about +[22:14:57] <reavertm> it's done, testing (rebuilding with kde now) +[22:14:58] <scarabeus> tampakrap: obeying our variables and so on +[22:15:05] <scarabeus> i tested too +[22:15:08] <scarabeus> this afternoon +[22:15:10] <scarabeus> works fine +[22:15:16] <reavertm> it's about preserving gentoo C(XX)?_FLAGS and such +[22:15:32] --> Zuccace_ (i=zucca@a88-112-55-25.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:15:35] <hwoarang> goodie +[22:15:43] <scarabeus> reavertm: ok so lets say we have this as final agreed? +[22:15:50] <scarabeus> no more major updates :] +[22:16:01] <reavertm> scarabeus you tested it with obsolete cmake-utils and I already fund some user of forum (or here) complainging at /usr/local and claimig that he sysnced overlay recently +[22:16:13] <scarabeus> he is lying +[22:16:14] <d00p> g +[22:16:16] <scarabeus> it is working +[22:16:17] <d00p> ups :p +[22:16:23] <scarabeus> tested on tons of cmake-utils ebuilds +[22:16:29] <wired> i have some stuff in /usr/local too +[22:16:36] <scarabeus> wired: then try the stuff recompile +[22:16:48] <wired> kk +[22:16:57] <wired> its just soprano, i'll do it now +[22:17:17] <reavertm> no, it's cmake issue, not soprano issue +[22:17:22] <wired> i mean +[22:17:25] <wired> its soprano files +[22:17:26] <wired> in there +[22:17:27] <wired> :) +[22:17:31] <scarabeus> yes it is cmake-eclass isue +[22:17:34] <scarabeus> so sync and try plz +[22:17:39] <wired> on it +[22:17:40] <scarabeus> so we can have it from the first hand +[22:18:09] <-- yngwin (n=yngwin@gentoo/developer/yngwin) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +[22:18:19] <scarabeus> meanwhile we removed htmlhandbook useflag so we have to create new generation for the docs :] +[22:18:31] --> yngwin_ (n=yngwin@gentoo/developer/yngwin) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:18:31] *** Mode #gentoo-kde +o yngwin_ by ChanServ +[22:18:40] <scarabeus> it is not biggie but it would be nice to have some reasonable doc system instead of broken htmlhandbook for 4.2.2 +[22:18:53] <tampakrap> any ideas on this? +[22:18:57] <reavertm> doc USE flag? +[22:19:19] <scarabeus> reavertm: hehehe +[22:19:21] <yngwin_> sry, lost network +[22:19:21] <tampakrap> i like this +[22:19:27] <scarabeus> it was wrong +[22:19:28] <reavertm> and what then - extracyting /doc when set? +[22:19:48] <scarabeus> yup but wont be smart to have kde-docs package +[22:19:52] <scarabeus> easier and convinient +[22:20:47] -*- NoirSoldats seconds the idea of a kde-docs package. +[22:21:08] <-> yngwin_ is now known as yngwin +[22:21:22] <jmbsvicetto> why kde-docs? +[22:21:25] <reavertm> so... gather docs from all kde-base modules? +[22:21:35] <scarabeus> yup +[22:21:36] <jmbsvicetto> If I only install 3 or 4 apps, why should I have the docs for all of KDE? +[22:21:42] <-- looonger (n=looonger@host-89-231-128-7.rawamaz.mm.pl) has quit (Client Quit) +[22:21:43] --> ayevee (n=quassel@62.140.238.1) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:21:53] -*- reavertm agrees with jmbsvicetto :P +[22:21:54] <scarabeus> ok so useflag you say +[22:21:55] <scarabeus> ok +[22:21:57] <scarabeus> :( +[22:22:04] <scarabeus> my nice idea squashed to the dust :D +[22:22:04] <NoirSoldats> jmbsvicetto: How big would the docs really be though? In total? +[22:22:10] <scarabeus> quite much +[22:22:17] <reavertm> I mean, it's easier to maintain it at package level +[22:22:28] <NoirSoldats> <100MB? +[22:23:04] <ayevee> am I the only one for whom automo-9999 fails to build? +[22:23:46] <wired> scarabeus: synced, emerge -av1 soprano but the files still installed in /usr/local +[22:23:48] <NoirSoldats> scarabeus: Hmm, I have a suggestion for how to handle the docs, that should solve both ends of the spectrum.. if I may. +[22:23:57] <hwoarang> ayevee: not now. we are in the middle of a meeting +[22:24:08] <ayevee> hwoarang: sorry +[22:24:19] <-- ayevee (n=quassel@62.140.238.1) has quit (Client Quit) +[22:24:22] <hwoarang> np +[22:24:34] <bumbl> scarabeus: why was htmlhandbook wrong? +[22:24:59] <reavertm> htmlhandbook is installing *unpacked* docs +[22:25:19] <bumbl> ah ok +[22:25:20] <reavertm> sth like difference between .chm and unpacked help contents +[22:25:36] <bumbl> (i have no problem with that but i see the point) +[22:27:06] <jmbsvicetto> are we still in point 3 ? :\ +[22:27:27] <scarabeus> :D +[22:27:33] <scarabeus> we have 3 issues left +[22:27:39] <jmbsvicetto> I see we'e jumped ab it +[22:27:39] <scarabeus> i pick randomly :D +[22:27:42] <jmbsvicetto> a bit* +[22:27:48] <-- Zucca (i=zucca@a88-112-55-25.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +[22:27:54] <jmbsvicetto> 4, 5 and 6 ? +[22:27:59] <scarabeus> ok reavertm we will probably work on this +[22:28:12] <scarabeus> those are due to now +[22:28:19] <wired> scarabeus: ^^ soprano still installs in /usr/local +[22:28:22] <scarabeus> now lets talk about the splitting then +[22:28:27] <scarabeus> wired: ok i will owrk on that +[22:28:32] <wired> ok :) +[22:28:55] <scarabeus> reavertm: do you know how is upstream going with its splitting for 4.3? +[22:29:22] --> mikkoc_ (n=mikko@151.59.215.164) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:29:57] <tampakrap> upstream is going to split modules or to support splited builds? +[22:29:58] <-- scratch[x] (n=scratch@83.239.148.148) has quit ("Ухожу") +[22:30:10] <tampakrap> or something else? +[22:30:32] <reavertm> related to binary/lib versioning? well, they don't seem to be eager (see the need - talked with dfaure ) to change .so version to make it possible to install multiple installations aside +[22:30:51] <reavertm> I wonder who came up with the idea (maybe I don't have clear picture) +[22:31:05] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: you are most relevant for this ideas +[22:31:24] <jmbsvicetto> ok +[22:32:19] <jmbsvicetto> Our talk at FOSDEM was that they would (could?) probably split all the bins, but there were some resistance to lbis +[22:32:22] <jmbsvicetto> libs* +[22:32:45] <jkt|> is that about keeping 4.x and 4.(x+1) aside? +[22:33:13] <scarabeus> jkt|: yes and in same prefix +[22:33:49] <reavertm> anyway - providing more restictive .so versions would restict their ABI compatibility - they already increase soversion for newer libs +[22:34:02] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: that's the next step +[22:34:13] -*- Sput thinks it does not make much sense to split libs that are always needed anyway +[22:34:37] <reavertm> so we would need either dependencies on *every*library* level (and not tied to particular kde version) or just override their choice on our side +[22:34:43] <jmbsvicetto> The first step from them was splitting the tarballs. The second step is providing support to have multiple versions around +[22:34:53] <jmbsvicetto> Sput: I tend to agree +[22:35:17] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: libtool!!! ;) +[22:35:26] <-- anselmolsm (n=anselmo@200.184.118.130) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) +[22:35:40] <scarabeus> hh +[22:35:45] <-- Zuccace_ (i=zucca@a88-112-55-25.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +[22:35:58] <reavertm> I don't know libtool and I'm not eager to learn it (libtool is broken as well, besides :P) +[22:36:36] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: I mean that this issue of lib versions and deps is what libtool does +[22:37:02] <reavertm> setting versions for kde libs is not a problem +[22:38:09] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: I mean run-time deps +[22:38:32] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: Having app A with a rdep on lib X-1.0.1 and not lib X-1.0.2 +[22:38:41] <-- Sho_ (n=EHS1@kde/hein) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) +[22:39:28] --> anselmolsm (n=anselmo@200.184.118.130) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:39:30] <jmbsvicetto> So, who's interested in this subject? +[22:39:56] <scarabeus> i am not enought l33t for this one +[22:40:00] --> kostekjo (n=opera@chello084010120054.chello.pl) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:40:32] <reavertm> neither am I +[22:40:37] <-- kostekjo (n=opera@chello084010120054.chello.pl) has left #gentoo-kde +[22:41:09] <jmbsvicetto> I don't believe you :P +[22:42:06] --> root (n=root@hor-jdh171.hor.ucl.ac.uk) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:42:14] <jmbsvicetto> ok, I guess we should talk about this later. Let's see if we can get anything in the ml +[22:42:15] <-> root is now known as lfranchi +[22:42:26] <jmbsvicetto> Are you guys still awake? ;) +[22:42:36] <-- lfranchi (n=root@hor-jdh171.hor.ucl.ac.uk) has quit (Client Quit) +[22:42:37] <scarabeus> yep +[22:42:39] <scarabeus> i am trying +[22:42:42] <scarabeus> ook +[22:42:43] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[22:42:48] <tampakrap> yeah i just woke up at 19:00 utc +[22:42:48] <scarabeus> next thing +[22:42:50] <scarabeus> importand one +[22:42:51] --> rex_ (n=quassel@host135-243-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:42:54] <scarabeus> snapshots +[22:42:57] <scarabeus> what should we do +[22:43:04] <scarabeus> upstream dont give a f**k +[22:43:07] <tampakrap> stop providing them i guess +[22:43:23] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: I'll try to mail Dirk directly +[22:43:34] <reavertm> I don't feel like it's worth repacking +[22:43:39] <tampakrap> Dirk is the packager? +[22:43:40] <jmbsvicetto> last time it took him a few months to get back, but I won't lose anything by sending the mail +[22:43:43] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: ping +[22:43:44] <scarabeus> it is getting high priority cause pple liek the feature +[22:43:49] <bonsaikitten> scarabeus: I can script fixed ones +[22:43:56] <reavertm> Dirk Mueller is "release-team" :P +[22:44:04] <-- Civil (n=Civilian@95-24-48-161.broadband.corbina.ru) has quit (Remote closed the connection) +[22:44:05] <bonsaikitten> scarabeus: that way we'd use our own mirroring +[22:44:06] <reavertm> that's why we can't get any feedback :P +[22:44:22] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Hm? +[22:44:25] --> leo (n=leo@hor-jdh171.hor.ucl.ac.uk) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:44:26] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: he's on the packagers and release ml +[22:44:33] <-> leo is now known as lfranchi +[22:44:40] <alexxy> we can repack this tarbolls +[22:44:55] <reavertm> yes, but he's de facto only man reposnible for releases and tarballs +[22:44:56] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: Have you tried to get someone from KDE about the snapshots names? +[22:45:09] <lfranchi> yo Sput +[22:45:11] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: By you, I mean you, Ingmar or someone else from exherbo +[22:45:22] <lfranchi> Sput: i get to complain at you now :) +[22:45:33] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: Nope, we decided we don't care enough. :) +[22:45:38] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[22:45:42] <tampakrap> that's the spirit +[22:45:42] <jmbsvicetto> Philantrop: slacker :P +[22:45:44] <scarabeus> hehe +[22:45:49] <scarabeus> that is the point we are getting now :D +[22:46:10] <reavertm> actually we have similar approach I guess :) +[22:46:12] <Philantrop> jmbsvicetto: "[05. 03. 2009 21:29] <Ingmar> slacker! :p" <-- to me. :-> +[22:46:24] <scarabeus> lol +[22:46:25] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[22:47:00] <jmbsvicetto> I'll provide some feedback to the ml when / if I get something +[22:47:03] <-- mikkoc (n=mikko@151.59.212.173) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +[22:47:04] <-- pipipde (n=pip@e179244051.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) +[22:47:08] <alexxy> we still need tarbolls for snapshots +[22:47:12] <tampakrap> what's the backup plan then? +[22:47:15] <scarabeus> ok lets state we sent hte mail +[22:47:22] <scarabeus> and bonsaikitten will repack for time being +[22:47:26] <jmbsvicetto> I'm going to send another mail today +[22:47:34] <scarabeus> ok you sent the mail +[22:47:42] <tampakrap> jmbsvicetto: maybe CC to many KDE people and mls +[22:47:59] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: I'm going to address the packagers, the release team and Dirk directly +[22:48:01] <lfranchi> so i'm just getting started with kde-svn ebuilds on gentoo, and automoc failed to install (failed to even begin checking out from svn). can anyone in here help me? +[22:48:09] --> pipipde (n=pip@e179247082.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:48:25] <alexxy> lfranchi: later1 we have meeting there +[22:48:31] <lfranchi> oh, sorry +[22:48:36] -*- lfranchi hides +[22:48:59] <reavertm> lfranchi: I guess it will be fixed soon, but will, many people use live kde (didn't have time to look up the issue) +[22:49:12] <scarabeus> bonsaikitten: so you can rly pack it with not big effort? +[22:49:42] <alexxy> scarabeus: we can repack them as tar.lzma +[22:49:43] <alexxy> =) +[22:49:47] <scarabeus> sweeet +[22:49:50] <alexxy> via scripts +[22:49:54] -*- jmbsvicetto kills alexxy +[22:49:58] <jmbsvicetto> tar.bz2 :P +[22:50:08] <alexxy> jmbsvicetto: .lzma better =) +[22:50:12] <wired> well since they really want their svn in the filename, maybe we can convince them to use a 4.x.SVNREV.tar.bz2 scheme? +[22:50:26] <scarabeus> wired: well the svnrev is not deterministic +[22:50:31] <reavertm> jmbsvicetto: if you mailed Dirk, you would be mentining placing .svnrevision file or sth in tarball? +[22:50:31] <scarabeus> you have to go and check for that revnumber +[22:50:40] <scarabeus> normaly you just add +1 +[22:50:56] <reavertm> as I guess it's at least the way we agreed with thiago +[22:50:56] <wired> i see +[22:51:08] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: I can suggest that as an alternative +[22:51:15] <wired> well i don't see them changing their minds any time soon, alexxy's log was pretty clear +[22:51:38] <reavertm> jmbsvicetto: I mean, let him know we already discussed it with kde folks :P +[22:52:09] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: I will also ask for different options if they don't want weekly snapshots to be used by packagers +[22:52:21] <reavertm> wired: well, you may read jmbsvicetto log as well (later that day) +[22:52:57] <reavertm> if they don't want us to use - I think we should not use :P we just need to follow trunk changes then :P +[22:53:31] <reavertm> It's sufficient to prepare next stable (4.3) release +[22:53:34] --> Linux (n=marcus@92-234-252-159.cable.ubr06.blac.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:53:41] <Linux> Hey everyone. +[22:53:49] <reavertm> besides - people should use portage version :P +[22:53:58] <jmbsvicetto> hehe +[22:53:59] <Linux> Is KDE 4.2.1 available yet? I synced yesterday. +[22:54:09] <NoirSoldats> Linux: Yes. +[22:54:11] <yngwin> yes, sync again +[22:54:16] <reavertm> so not making snapshots available we probably have greater 4.2 userbase to test and possibly stabilize later +[22:54:19] <Linux> OK. :) +[22:54:53] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: the snapshots are useful, imo +[22:55:10] <reavertm> as unstable snaphosts are not really *releases* but just svn dump - they are usually as broken as live +[22:55:16] <tampakrap> i agree with reavertm, live is enough, we already maintain too many kde releases +[22:55:22] -*- alexxy starts repacking kde 4.2.65 +[22:55:29] <scarabeus> :D +[22:55:34] <scarabeus> alexxy: talk with kitten +[22:55:42] <jmbsvicetto> ok, if no one is willing to work on them for now, let them rest +[22:55:49] <scarabeus> ook +[22:55:50] <scarabeus> agreed +[22:55:54] <jmbsvicetto> We have enough things to take are already +[22:56:18] <jmbsvicetto> scarabeus: bugs? bugz? BUGZ??? ;) +[22:56:19] <scarabeus> last thing +[22:56:24] <scarabeus> BUGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ +[22:56:30] <jmbsvicetto> :) +[22:56:30] <scarabeus> we have tons of them +[22:56:31] <yngwin> zzzzzzzzzz +[22:56:31] <scarabeus> many dupes +[22:56:34] <scarabeus> many needs fix +[22:56:37] <scarabeus> many are trivial +[22:56:40] <jmbsvicetto> yngwin: :) +[22:56:44] <scarabeus> and there is sh*tload of them +[22:57:01] <tampakrap> nice, i was eating +[22:57:14] <reavertm> don't read then ;) +[22:57:15] <scarabeus> good now you will starve as me :D +[22:57:22] <wired> hahahahahah +[22:57:23] -*- Sput looks into automoc now +[22:57:37] <Sput> except somebody fixed that already +[22:57:43] <reavertm> Sput it may be as well cmake-utils related +[22:58:01] <tampakrap> scarabeus: tell us the last issue and go to watch some pr0n +[22:58:06] <scarabeus> :D +[22:58:12] <scarabeus> the issue is we need to work on bugz +[22:58:24] <Sput> tampakrap: you didn't watch pr0n during the meeting like the rest of us? +[22:58:25] <scarabeus> we need smebody actualy devolting lots of time on them +[22:58:44] <tampakrap> we need a cleanup as a first step +[22:58:44] <jmbsvicetto> Should we set some goals about bugs? +[22:58:53] <scarabeus> yep that might be good +[22:58:57] -*- reavertm still has some updates 4.2.1 and wonders whether anyone wants them, especially with 4.2.1 removed from overlay :P +[22:58:59] <tampakrap> take care of trackers, duplicates and resolved +[22:59:01] <tampakrap> and then fixed +[22:59:15] <jmbsvicetto> Do we want to reduce them to a certain number by X months? Do we want to set a goal of taking care of X bugs per week? +[22:59:15] <scarabeus> reavertm: pastebin it :] +[22:59:18] <tampakrap> i'm sure 100 of them are already fixed or duplicate +[22:59:33] <hwoarang> yes +[22:59:36] <hwoarang> or invalid +[22:59:36] <tampakrap> jmbsvicetto: you are the leader, you should set the number +[22:59:51] --> cypr1nus (n=cypr1nus@plus.ds14.agh.edu.pl) has joined #gentoo-kde +[22:59:57] <reavertm> scarabeus: when I'm done rebuilding kde with them (along with cmake-utils and those pasted kde4 eclass thing - so far so good) +[23:00:12] <scarabeus> actualy we can have policy like "you want to be in herd fix X bugz a month" +[23:00:14] <scarabeus> :D +[23:00:19] <scarabeus> or some other contribution to kde +[23:00:51] <tampakrap> i'm ok will all these, just give us the deadlines +[23:00:51] <alexxy> heh =) +[23:01:07] <jmbsvicetto> OK. Let's have a vote: get bugs under X or fix X bugs per week? +[23:01:25] <tampakrap> the second +[23:01:27] <bonsaikitten> yes! +[23:01:38] <scarabeus> the second is more reasonable :] +[23:01:38] <reavertm> define "fix" +[23:01:40] <jmbsvicetto> I think the later might be more productive and may help feeling work done +[23:01:43] -*- bonsaikitten self-removes from the herd preemptively +[23:01:44] <hwoarang> +1 +[23:01:53] <jmbsvicetto> bonsaikitten: hehe +[23:01:56] <tampakrap> hhahahahahha +[23:02:06] <scarabeus> bonsaikitten: we can give you expection for the kittening :D +[23:02:08] <reavertm> marking as RESOLVED/FIXED only to decrease bug count is wrong approach - I'd agree with flameeyes here :P +[23:02:22] <scarabeus> well it has to be fixed too +[23:02:30] <jmbsvicetto> I'm not going to create a rule "if you don't fix X bugs per week, you're out", but I think we should all try to solve at least X bugs per week +[23:02:34] <bonsaikitten> haha +[23:02:37] <yngwin> well, for starters it would probably help to weed out the duplicates +[23:02:41] <bonsaikitten> well, I'm fixing too many other things +[23:02:41] <jmbsvicetto> reavertm: sure +[23:03:10] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: btw did you sent the mail about removing of members to nonactive kde members? +[23:03:15] <jmbsvicetto> So, a reasonable number would be between 2 and 10? +[23:03:35] <tampakrap> 4-10 +[23:03:57] <jmbsvicetto> 5 per week? +[23:03:58] <scarabeus> a week +[23:04:00] <scarabeus> 5 +[23:04:17] <scarabeus> but actualy we are fixing even more :P +[23:04:21] <scarabeus> i have 5 for today :D +[23:04:27] <scarabeus> more than 5 +[23:04:28] <d00p> lol +[23:04:29] <scarabeus> :D +[23:04:33] <dagger> ;) +[23:04:35] <tampakrap> 10? +[23:04:39] <d00p> 7? +[23:04:41] <scarabeus> tampakrap: that is hard to tell +[23:04:46] <jmbsvicetto> Ok, let's all try to fix at least 5 bugs per week +[23:04:48] <scarabeus> bug a day might be good idea +[23:04:51] <scarabeus> ook +[23:04:57] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: Let's not aim too high +[23:04:59] <scarabeus> at least 5 bugs per week +[23:05:14] <-- Caster (i=Caster@gentoo/developer/caster) has quit ("Don't waste your time, or time will waste you.") +[23:05:15] <tampakrap> fine +[23:05:19] <jmbsvicetto> tampakrap: You're feel to fix 50 in a week if you can ;) +[23:05:27] <tampakrap> oh i am? +[23:05:34] <jmbsvicetto> yes :P +[23:05:41] <tampakrap> ok now we are clear +[23:05:42] <jmbsvicetto> bah, You're free* +[23:05:44] <bumbl> a bug a day keeps the doctor away +[23:05:53] <tampakrap> hahahhaaha +[23:06:05] <scarabeus> bumbl: nice moto +[23:06:07] <tampakrap> a bug per day keeps the ladys away +[23:06:12] <scarabeus> rofl +[23:06:13] <d00p> lawl +[23:06:17] <dagger> hehe +[23:06:20] <bumbl> lol +[23:06:28] <scarabeus> dagger: you wanna help with bugz? +[23:06:28] <jmbsvicetto> I suggest we had bumbl moto to our page ;) +[23:06:32] <d00p> do you rly want that to happen? +[23:06:32] <dagger> tampakrap: 10 bugs a day keep your life away :p +[23:06:35] <dagger> scarabeus: sure +[23:06:37] <scarabeus> jmbsvicetto: agreed +[23:06:56] <jmbsvicetto> So, anything else? +[23:07:01] <scarabeus> we are done +[23:07:03] <scarabeus> dismissed diff --git a/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-summary-20090305.txt b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-summary-20090305.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e2a83d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/kde-herd-meeting-summary-20090305.txt @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +AROUND: +yngwin, wired, scarabeus, alexxy, cryos, jmbsvicetto, hwoarang, bonsaikitten, tampakrap, reavertm + +kde3 state/others: +- merging to master branch in kde-testing soon, for more info/help offers talk with tampakrap +- so correct prefixing for kde3 and no more blocks are coming near to you. +- create important bug list and ask bugday pple and other for help -> tampakrap + +amarok get maintainer: +- send mail onto -dev to get one -> scarabeus + +homepage updates: +- we need to keep our webspace up-to-date and guides actualy working -> yngwin, tampakrap + +pykde: +squash the bugz/issues, unslot, unkdeprefix... -> bonsaikitten + +kbluetooth4: +maybe even working, needs testing/patching -> wired + +kde4 stabling/keywording: +we need to check deps so they are working on target archies +also we should make less depstrict kde4 eclass -> scarabeus on this + +cmake-utils: +hopefully done, now only bugfixing -> reavertm, scarabeus + +removal of htmlhandbook: +introduce doc flag that will work -> probably scarabeus (needs to be done before 4.2.2) + +snapshots: +sent mail to dirk -> jmbsvicetto +repack tarballz -> bonsaikitten +set on rest for now by major volte, come and volunteer if you want it changed + +bugsquash: +5 bugz mminimal per week from every kde team member. |